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Todd: ... kind of like, politely saying, "Just, I'm never gonna ..." I've never forgotten how all those things look, I've never forgotten her sitting on the rock when she said that. So wise advice I think. Angela: Yeah, I think so. Todd: Now, actually you are in photography. Do you think that actually taking so many ... I'm sorry, you have a photography business. Angela: Yes. Todd: Do you think that actually taking so many photographs lessens the value of the art of photography and really appreciating a good picture? Angela: Yes, I think it does. And I think that a lot of the apps and the things that you can use these days to improve photographs take away the real skill of the photographer, using the light, using the lines, using what's in the photograph to make a really good shot. I think people miss that these days. Todd: Yeah. That is true. Anyway, so today, no using your phone. Angela: No, I did hear it go, "Bing, bing."